GOT Review: Episode 17 – A Man Without Honor
November 27, 2018I mean, the list of men without honor is pretty damn long. This could be about 55 characters. I didn’t sign up for a mystery.
Also, women can have no honor as well. This is a sexist episode. How dare they!
Summary – Theon loses Bran and Rickon, then engages in child murder, Tywin kills most of his own men, The Hound and Xano don’t understand women, Jon really doesn’t understand women, Jaime does everything he can to escape like three times, Fake Varys has a case of Stabbing Fever, Cersei and Tyrion have a scene where they don’t try to murder each other, Sansa is in dire straights.
Quote – Cersei: “Permit me to share some womanly wisdom with you on this very special day. The more people you love the weaker you are. You’ll do things for them that you know you shouldn’t do. You’ll act the fool to make them happy, to keep them safe. Love no one but your children. On that front a mother has no choice.”
Cersei tells Sansa to not love anyone but her children. Love makes others weak. Even when Sansa asks if she should love Joffrey, one of Cersei’s own children, all she says is that she can try. Isn’t this a huge foreshadow on her feelings about Jaime? I mean, she smiled like a girl with a crush mentioning he was there at the wedding, but if she only loves her children, all Jaime does is for naught. As he refuses to talk while being in a dungeon, not being able to acknowledge his kids or his relationship, is meaningless. I always viewed the story as the two falling out of love at different times, but this heavily implies Cersei doesn’t love him already. This is a huge revelation and will make some of Jaime’s later actions heartbreaking. Thanks re-watch.
Jaime: “So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the King, obey the King, obey your father, protect the innocent, defend the weak. But what if your father despises the King? What if the King massacres the innocent? It’s too much. No matter what you do, you’re forsaking one vow or another. Where did you find this beast?”
Catelyn: “She is a truer knight than you will ever be, Kingslayer.”
Jaime: “Kingslayer. And what a king he was! Here’s to Aerys Targaryen, the second of his name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm, and to the sword I shoved in his back!”
Jaime brings up some good points here, and this is where I think his character really shifted in the books. We never really heard Jamie’s side in the book at this point – in the show, it’s pretty clear. With all the oaths a knight takes, there has to be some conflicting ones in there. Consider that Jaime may have very well saved Kings Landing by killing Aerys Targaryen. Instead of being praised for protecting thousands of lives, he is vilified for breaking his oath to the king. Didn’t he make the right choice though? It sure seems it. There’s really no way for any man in Westeros to be truly honorable and survive. Look at Ned.
The cruel side of Tywin – Lannister soldiers and guards are torturing other Lannister guards and men to determine who killed Armory Lorch, noted douchebag. Tywin believes Lorch’s death was an assassination attempt on his own life. He instructs the Mountain to murder as many people as he can to stop the Brotherhood without Banners, who he assumes committed the murder. It’s also revealed that a bunch of Lannister men were hung and tortured for answers. Clegane says their is difficulty in finding the brotherhood. Tywin calls Clegane soft and dismisses him. Remember, this is a giant bloodthirsty man, but he doesn’t give any resistance to Tywin at all. Here, we see the ruthless Tywin, after thinking he was kind of cool the past two episodes. What makes him a great character is how many angles he has – smart when he needs to be, but a huge bastard when the time calls for it. Charles Dance crushes this role. He’s one of, if not thee, best character transferred from book to show.
Tywin also tells the story of Harrenhall, the greatest fortress built by the leader of house Harren. It was built to withstand land attack, but was destroyed because of Aegon the conqueror and the dragons. Arya knows a little too much Aegon history for Tywin’s taste. Way to break character again Arya. It’s like you want to die. Even when Tywin says he’s impressed, she keeps going on and on, something a commoner would have no clue about. Arya really needed Gendry to elbow her in the ribs and shut her up. Ultimately she gets away with it by mentioning one of Aegon’s sisters, a badass warrior who rode a dragon, is her hero.
Again, Tywin questions how Arya’s father taught her all this, saying he never met a literate stone worker. He lets her slight of asking if he’s met many stonemasons go with just a slight warning. He also tells her that common folk speak m’lord, which Arya never says. He knows there’s more to her than he lets on, but doesn’t make the full connection. Perhaps he doesn’t want to make the connection. If he did, he wouldn’t let her continue to serve him or treat her like an equal. These two always have good scenes, and when it’s paired with the uneasiness of wondering how much Tywin knows, you have some real good tv.
Now, how in the world can this be on the good list? Because this is the Hound finally showing some character. He doesn’t understand these feelings so he acts like an asshole. After all, it comes naturally. But still, it’s something. We’ve seen shades of heroism in the Hound, mixed with a lot of dark actions. We’re slowly seeing a change. That’s why it’s good.
But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Spice King is dead as shit. That’s all I was looking for. Now let’s fast forward to Dany getting her dragons back and never, ever talk about Qarth again. Seriously. I hope Dany torches it worse than Harrenhall.
Cersei says that trying to control Joffrey has proven to be difficult. Cersei had hoped that Joffrey would be like Jaime. Tyrion seems to believe he’s more like Robert. Cersei disagrees because Robert didn’t like cruelty. This is telling for how much Cersei hated Robert, and the fact that Robert had quite the mean streak himself. Robert was no stranger to violence, so Cersei can’t have a positive opinion on old boy Joff.
Cersei questions if Joffrey is a punishment of their sins of incest. Tyrion cites the Targaryens married their siblings, but Cersei says that you’d flip a coin to determine if one child was mad or not. Tyrion mentions that Tommon and Myrcella are good kids, so they beat the odds, bringing Cersei to tears. Even she knows that Joffrey is a monster. This is a rare moment of emotion between the two. Well, other than anger. It won’t last long but in isolation, this was really nice, in a sad way. They are siblings, though I don’t think they ever act that way again.
In his cell, Jaime talks to Ser Alton, a cousin of his Jaime had no recollection. After several references to an event when Ser Alton squired for him, Jaime does remember him. In fact, Jaime remembers very specific details to the day. I don’t know if he was playing with Alton, or really didn’t remember until it became about Jaime. Alton idolizes Jaime, saying he’ll remember that day all until he dies. That’s convenient. This seems to be the best day of Alton’s life. Boy did he jump the gun.
Jaime recounts the time when he squired her Barristan Selmy, and it was a very similar tale. Jaime was mesmerized with Selmy’s battle prowess, saying he was a painter who only used red. He says squiring for him was a dream come real, and that leaving the battlefield was a nightmare. Jaime was an awful squire, but skilled enough to kill one of the outlaws in the fight with Selmy. He says he’s lucky to be who he was.
Jaime says he’s not built to be a prisoner. He believes that Ned Stark was a great prisoner, another shot at him. Mocking Ned is Jaime’s past time. Jaime then reveals his escape plan, killing Ser Alton. Alton looks stunned, and then Jaime attacks and kills him with no remorse. Like holy shit, even knowing this happens, it’s shocking. By the way, it’s off screen in the book. This was dark. I mean, I loved the bonding moments between the two, but the death was brutal. It shows how much Jaime wants to get back to Cersei. You poor beautiful imbecile.
An honorary LVP nomination to the guard, for not being able to locate Jaime when finding a dead body. I mean, it’s a frigging cell. There’s only a body and Jaime. How did he get confused? The guard examines the body, and gets choked out by Jaime. This gives Jaime a sword and an open gate. Seriously, he deserves a second death for that bumbling. Ring the shame bell for him.
Jaime knows that the odds are he will die tonight. He also asks if Brienne was a woman not taking it as serious as you’d might expect. He also might be checking in on her availability later, but that’s a spoiler. Jaime mentions about the thousand of vows he has to take and how they conflict with each other as quoted below, and just when you think he’s being real, he insults Brienne. I think Jaime was trying to go out on his terms.
Cersei calls Jaime a man without honor. So there you go. It was Jaime the title referred to. Gasp!
Jaime goes as far to say since he was only with Cersei (this is how you know he was sure he would die) and then says he more honor than Ned, citing Jon, and Cat hatred of the boy because he was a reminder of infidelity. He’s basically goading Cat to kill him. She draws a sword, so it looks like he was successful. I have to give it up to Jaime here. For whatever reason, he pulls his balls on the table when tied to a cell and talks some hard hitting shit. And has anyone ever been more petty than Jaime about Ned? The man is dead for Christ sake.
Ygritte also professes her freedom, despite being a prisoner, but continues to equate sex to freedom. You know what Jon, maybe don’t have sex with Ygritte. Feels like she’s been around the block a few times and I don’t think the wildings are practicing safe sex.
Later, Ygritte goes into detail about how they’re free because they don’t serve a king or follow laws they don’t want. They serve Mance because they chose him. She tells him life with the wildings would be such an improvement, focusing on the sex again. Jeez Ygritte, show a little restraint. Ygritte says she could teach Jon how to do it, which he declines, with a lot of doubt in his voice. This gets our first “You know nothing, Jon snow” of the series. It shall not be the last.
As Jon struggles with the sex dialogue, and probably an erection, Ygritte frees herself from the rope again, and makes it to a wilding camp. I mean, you could have at least got laid before dying Jon. The medieval STDs wouldn’t have mattered.
The episode ends with Theon showing off mutilating corpses of two children, causing Luwin to scream in agony. I really don’t get the point of this. Is this to show Theon means business, or to make sure every last Northern man comes to wreck Theon’s shit? Having prisoners, even ones who go around killing their cousins, matters in war. All this move did was put a target on Theon’s back. This is why you should always listen to Norbert instead.
Oh, and there’s also the slight issue of more GODDAMN MURDERED KIDS ON THIS SHOW. Seriously, how is this the central theme of every other episode? Also nobody gives a shit that two kids are dead – they care about it being Bran and Rickon. Once it’s discovered the Starks are fine, nobody cares. Can we not end an episode with child deaths? I’m not asking for much.
Honestly it makes no frigging sense. None at all.
I’m kind of surprised he would be the one to say anything. This also seems against his character. I guess we aren’t supposed to like him yet again. Remember, Lannister’s are all evil… Actually that’s pretty true.
Cersei gives Sansa advise on going through womanhood. That’s definitely not the person you want to give advice on anything, except possibly wine recommendations. What follows is a scene discussing sex, and never loving anyone as quoted above. You know who I don’t want giving me advise on anything involving my body? A drunk future mother in law. I feel for you Sansa. You can’t catch a break.
Then, 20 minutes later, at the meeting of the 13, Xano admits to working with Pree and stealing the dragons. He might as well twirl a mustache and cackle as lightning strikes. But why exactly did Xano feign ignorance on the Dragons earlier? Couldn’t he had just, you know, said there was a plan in place. I get that Pete and Xano are probably evil, but a lot of this seems like the writers wanted a twist when none was required. Why did he need Dany there to watch him kill a bunch of hated characters? Was that a gift to her? An attempt to gain her trust? Or is he worse at flirting than the Hound? Truly a terrible scene.
Yeah, let’s listen to other people’s council in the future Dany. You’re better than this. You’re better than this whole storyline really.
Death – 20 Lannister Men, Ser Alton, 11 of the 13 leaders of Qarth
Boobs – 0
Needlessly Graphic Sex – 0